[03:00] try elementAt: 'model' [03:00] and then attributeAt: 'name' put: name [03:02] if you get an "image browser" off the open menu, it has the indented inheritance thang goin' on, and in the XML-Parser category the stuff in the XMLNode hierarchy is helpful. most stuff you want will be in accessing somewhere [03:08] errrg [03:08] stupid updating [03:21] i think both attack tree bugs revolve around updating [03:21] i am tired, so i am going to sleep & get up again early [03:22] paul, upload whatever you have & i'll download & merge [03:22] ok, that works. [03:22] er, i mean when you're done [03:22] I'm starting to get the hang of this [03:22] yeah [03:22] just send me email [03:23] then when i get up i'll merge, find the dang update bug, and upload for the final test run [03:23] cool [03:23] and maybe write out to file [03:23] i'd love to have us just do packaging tomorrow [03:23] e.g. getting onto squeakmap [03:23] yeah [03:23] Action: Dymaxion nods [03:23] i mean tomorrow night [03:24] i'm tired. clearly. see you here tomorrow night? [03:26] yeah [03:26] sleep well [03:44] argh [10:17] morning [10:17] sorry about last night...I started working on porting the bugtraq stuff and completely fell asleep [10:31] no worries [10:31] i hope your head is better this morning? [10:31] shoot, must run to work. i hope your day goes great, & i see you here tonight :) [10:32] and i think we should cancel wednesday's meeting & sleep instead [10:32] or in my case, work to catch up on what i'm going to slip today [18:47] ok, fixed a bunch more stuff, still a few more things left to mess with. [18:48] Taking a break to fix dinner for alex [18:48] Action: Dymaxion needs to figure out how to convert ints to strings [19:59] howdy [20:04] figured that out; running errands, bbs [20:34] bak [20:49] wb! [21:09] howdy, aspa [21:10] hi there! [21:12] wow, i don't think i've ever seen fur actually fly before... [21:12] hm? [21:13] my kitties are wrestling right next to me [21:14] ah :) [21:15] Action: Dymaxion grins [21:16] Ok, so I'm most of the way there... I've got stuff actually printing out to the transcript, although it's a little fucked up. [21:16] woo hoo! [21:16] :) [21:16] It's also really hard to debug because of the way the xml parser works -- all the errors happen when it tries to print out the stream, not when you create the document [21:17] i'm eating & then i'll dive into the update thing [21:17] thats weird [21:17] wee, I hate wxWidget [21:17] s [21:17] and I'm getting ready to start on the bug portage [21:17] i didn't realize there was so much disconnect b/w bug & debugger [21:18] there wasn't before, but I've got through the first layer of bugs [21:18] so, ara, i don't know if you were here the other day when i got all excited about captain existing in svn [21:18] but i'm really excited [21:19] oh, is it stuff like it won't print out with some stuff missing? [21:19] oh :) [21:19] yeah, I added it the other day [21:19] i'm sorry you have to slog through wxWidgets, but i can't wait till you have [21:20] because I was about to delve into some risky business (tm) and wanted to maintain a sort-of working copy [21:20] Action: asparagi laughs [21:20] :D I'm about this close -> <- to having the vertical sashing working between line items [21:20] hee hee [21:20] as well as variable height on paste [21:20] asp: no, I've got most of the nil checks in.. I'm not quite sure what the deal is right now. [21:20] I'm going to add in the blog threats and then ship it over [21:21] ooh, so under a certain size of paste, the paste pane gets smaller? [21:21] Dym: ok, i'll take a look [21:22] although i should really do that update stuff before I get too tired [21:22] aspa :) yeah :) [21:22] toby, bless his heart, scheduled me for a conference call tonight from 10pm-midnight [21:23] omfg [21:23] poor you :( [21:23] i suspect by the time i'm done with that, i won't be that useful for trike [21:23] yeah, i just wish it wasn't tonight [21:23] so we have 2 hours, roughly [21:23] yeah [21:23] asp: suck [21:23] I should be done shortly [21:23] well, i have 5 min left on my sandwich. [21:24] i love having a one-handed keyboard. you can eat with one hand & not get it all dirty [21:29] ok. i'm all trike till just before 10pm [21:33] ok, so, I've got all the assets as named elements in the blog creation method [21:33] I can get a threat given an action [21:33] how do I get an action by type? [21:34] asset actionAt: #Create [21:34] i think [21:34] cool [21:34] yes [21:46] ok, just putting in the real numbers [21:47] :) [21:47] i'm writing tests [21:48] that's the only way i got the rules tree updates to work, so i figured it was the right thing to do here [21:50] ok, writing out now [21:52] Trike-Interaction-Spiral-PBS.25.mcz and Trike-Core-PBS.24.mcz [21:52] permissions fixed [21:54] let me know what I can do now [22:01] ara, what web site content do we need for release? [22:01] did you get that changeset ok? [22:01] working on it [22:02] you know my net connection :) [22:02] Action: Dymaxion grins. [22:03] so, dym, how about a brief release checklist? [22:03] bugs, build, test, ..? [22:03] we prolly need an announcement, web page, ,.? [22:04] we should test the built image on OS X & get us a .dmg as well [22:04] lemme know what you want in them and I can slap sthing together right quick [22:04] bugs on the site, release builds, run through the UI test checklist, announcement blurb for the site, [22:04] I've been playing around with trying to figure out how to pkg a dmg as well [22:04] current screen shots? [22:06] hey, did we have per-attack risks and proper exposures in our last release? [22:07] wooo! look at those pretty pink boxes [22:07] i can't remember [22:09] I don't think we did. [22:10] dym, what you should do to keep debugging on the xml file format is get a blog up, then explore self convertToNativeXML [22:10] ok, proposed text blurb to the list [22:10] oh, ok [22:10] it'll say "" [22:10] just keep popping 'em open until you get to something funny [22:11] shouldn't we have some sort of user docs? [22:11] e.g. the first bug in a depth-first traversal is that there's a TrikeAndRule as an element [22:11] yeah [22:12] user docs sound like a good idea to me :) [22:12] i'm going to keep working on the bugs [22:13] paul, can you take the open section out, too? we'll just have export [22:13] I think maybe we should do them during next week's meeting [22:13] yeah, I can do that [22:13] ar: sounds good [22:14] hrm. i'm going to be on a plane for next weeks meeting. [22:14] but that's good [22:14] oh, I had to change the xml format again, too -- I couldn't get [CDATA] to work, so instead it's [22:14] if y'all write the docs there is less chance that i will be myopic [22:14] oh! [22:14] there's a trick to that [22:14] let me look it up [22:16] nameXML := XMLElement named: 'Name' attributes: Dictionary new. [22:16] nameXML [22:16] addContent: (XMLStringNode string: name). [22:17] open section is gone [22:17] aha! [22:17] yeah, hadn't found XMLStringNode [22:17] it is pretty obscure [22:17] not what i would have written [22:17] blame mir :) [22:25] add a test: change the name of an AND attack [22:26] it pops a debugger [22:26] (doh) [22:27] right. so to do a screen shot, get the notebook to the state you want, then pop the halos. there's an icon that looks like a menu, and on it there is an item named export which will let you pick your format [22:27] oops [22:28] don't do the attack tree yet, though -- the lack of updates means that a bunch of items don't show up yet [22:28] but i am getting warmer [22:29] Action: Dymaxion nods [22:29] and my dove wrapper says to trust my instincts :) [22:29] what's this 'evaluate "2 asExplorerString" to debug' stuff? [22:29] Action: Dymaxion grins [22:29] it's messed up [22:30] what you should actually do is highlight that item and alt-d on self asExplorerString [22:30] or alt-p on self, usually [22:30] or keep going down into the tree until you see something weird [22:31] ok [22:35] woo, got rules printing [22:36] yay! [22:39] The announcement seems fine; i think we should make the screenshots page be version-specific, i.e. the URL should have 1.1.2a in it [22:42] oh. one test that would be nice: in the Morphic-Layouts-Core package, there is only one method, Morph>>adjustLayoutBounds. is this actually needed? to test, save image, save as, then revert that method to andreas' version, open a trike notebook & flip through the tabs to see if anything is broken [22:43] if that works, add & delete some assets [22:43] breakage will be obvious -- you will probably have to kill squeak [22:46] haha [22:46] i found my bug [22:46] ok, I'm just missing something. [22:46] As far as I can tell, my xml is now correct, but it's still complaining about errors. [22:46] I'm uploading my changes [22:48] done [22:48] do you want me to revert that method? [22:51] yah, try it [22:51] just be prepared to kill squeak :) [22:52] (from the task manager) [22:52] ok, nothing blew up, but when I add a new asset, stuff gets shifted around -- now not just the stuff at the bottom is off screen, but the stuff at the top and the right as well. [22:53] ok. that answers that question, we do need that method [22:53] we shouldn't [22:53] but we'll leave it in [22:53] so go ahead & revert back to my version [22:53] and yeah, re-reverting fixes it [22:57] ok, n/m, found my bug [22:57] oh, awesome, i was just going to download [22:57] now that most of my tests are passing :) [22:58] i love unit tests [22:58] have i mentioned that recently [22:58] ? in fact i think i might want to spend some quality time with the unit tests as the beginning of our next dev cycle [22:59] Action: Dymaxion grins. [22:59] woot, attacks print! [22:59] yay! [22:59] so what's left? [22:59] just actions left [22:59] somehow the tests got really slow again [23:00] it builds! [23:00] ship it! [23:01] ;) [23:01] i dunno. 1 failure & 1 error, 18 tests to go [23:02] i don't think i can release on squeakmap tonight [23:03] we depend on some extra changesets now, that are other ppls packages that aren't up to date on squeakmap [23:04] Action: Dymaxion nods [23:04] oh. no we don't. we didn't move over to use graph [23:04] nevermind. we are good to go [23:05] how are we stocked for bandwidth on octotrike? [23:05] and what will our release URL be? [23:07] ok, I think I've uploaded a working version of my changes... Monticello may have gotten a little confused. [23:18] lemme know what else I should work on. [23:18] i almost have your changes [23:19] cool [23:19] and i almost have my bug fixed [23:20] i sure wish i understood why they were so fast earlier today, but aren't now [23:20] had you merged in my changes? I might have done something that slowed them down, although I can't imagine what. [23:21] nope, it's all me [23:21] i think i'm passing around an excessive amount of updates [23:21] trying to get the attack tree editing stuff working? [23:22] looking at what's in BEL-Misc, can you think of another name for that package? [23:22] yeah [23:33] right now all I'm seeing is WeakIdentitySet [23:34] oh, go to monticello browser, select the package & hit browse [23:34] oh, never mind, I see the rest now [23:34] Do you want the name to be trike-specific? [23:34] no [23:34] http://map1.squeakfoundation.org/sm [23:35] If you want to be co-maintainer (either or both of you) on SqueakMap, go there & get an account so I can add you [23:36] hmmm...I think I'll wait until I actually have code going into a release :/ [23:36] created PBS, waiting for email [23:36] hey, you've got code in here -- there are changesets with your name on them [23:37] O.o really? [23:37] well, yah [23:37] in squeakmap, you mean? [23:37] hmmm...I still don't feel like I've really contrib'd enough to go register as a maintainer [23:37] yeah, i released those layouts & some memory image tools quite a while ago [23:38] we'll fix the os x build process & get you ramped up on tools [23:38] oh! ara's code in the trike release [23:38] no, I meant in trike -- there are at least four or five -ara- mczs [23:38] yeah [23:39] i wish there were a way to hunt for all the methods with a dev's sig on them [23:39] damn, all these slow tests & now an error [23:39] grrr [23:40] it's only 67 in of 109 [23:40] i think a lot of it is setup & teardown time [23:42] i can see that the event framework needs some refactoring again [23:43] i didn't understand how slow it was [23:43] Action: Dymaxion nods. [23:43] i bet we can get a huge performance gain.. [23:43] On the bright side, getting the tests down to a reasonable time will make the interface a lot snappier [23:46] if we want a trike-specific name for bel-misc, trike-support doesn't sound bad. [23:47] hmmm [23:48] that would be good, but it was also used by that google image scavenger thing i never released [23:48] you should be listed for Trike Engine & Trike Morphic UI [23:51] Ok, something unrelated them... Octopus-Patches? [23:51] lots of random tentacles into things [23:53] I like it. [23:53] and patches is really the best word for it... a lot of those seem like things that should go into their respective real packages, so. [23:54] Yes [23:54] Can you rename the package? [23:55] no, I don't know how [23:55] (and it isn't obvious in the UI) [23:56] k. i'll do it [23:56] msg asparagi I couldn't figure out how to do it, though. [00:00] --- Wed Feb 1 2006 [00:07] did either of you change the irc logs? [00:19] nope [00:19] or at least, i didn't [00:23] man guys, I'm having 0 luck with this bug tracking system [00:23] :( [00:23] do you suppose it would be possible to just setup a dns entry for bugs.octotrike.org to go to zettai? [00:23] maybe we should just link to it on zettai for now? [00:23] ooh, even better [00:23] yeah, let's do that [00:23] and then config the apache server on zettai to just serve the bugs? [00:23] that would be much easier [00:23] we can put it at the root [00:23] yeah. [00:24] lol, wish I would have thought of this 3 hours ago [00:24] Action: asparagi will work on the dns [00:24] and aren't you supposed to be on a conf call? [00:30] i am [00:30] i'm mostly listening [00:37] dns is updated but it hasn't propagated yet [00:38] ara, are you going to do the apache thing? [00:54] argh, have to do a little trikeattack refactoring [01:03] hmm...any idea on how to set it as the root? [01:03] zope confoozles me [01:18] Action: asparagi goes to look [01:34] the main site is ready to go whenever we are [01:34] and i've figured out how to make dmg files [01:34] cool! [01:35] i am still fixing a couple bugs [01:35] i don't think you should stay up [01:35] unless you want to [01:35] my eta ~1.5 hours [01:35] I still need to change the root for the bugs site tho [01:35] for code stuff [01:35] yeah [01:35] and I have no idea how to do that [01:35] i'm looking at it [01:35] Action: ar4chne is lame [01:35] sorry :( [01:35] i think the apache conf is the way to do it [01:36] hmmm...how? [01:36] but i am looking for the right place [01:36] I thought it was just telling apache to use zope [01:36] RewriteCond %{HTTP:Authorization} ^(.*) [01:36] RewriteRule ^/sekrit(.*) /usr/local/share/www/cgi-bin/Zope.cgi/$1 [e=HTTP_CGI_AU [01:36] THORIZATION:%1,t=application/x-httpd-cgi,l] [01:36] and then al the zope content is handled withing the zope database? [01:36] a variation on that [01:36] yeah [01:37] so we we need to rewrite ^/(.*) to /something/Zope.cgi/bugs/$1 [01:37] so don't you just need to log into zope and tell it to use the IssueTracker Product as it's default thang? [01:37] i can't find a virtual host whatzit in there [01:37] ah, I couldn't either :/ [01:37] suck [01:37] well, I can play with apache so you don't have to [01:38] it looks like we have rewrite module [01:38] all you need to find is the right line in the right file [01:38] no worries :) [01:42] wow, 10pm is an uncivilized time for a meeting [01:42] but now we are done [01:43] ok, try this: [01:43] [01:43] RewriteEngine on [01:46] RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://127.0.0.1:8080/...:80/$1 .... [01:46] [01:46] xactly like that? [01:46] look in /usr/local/etc/apache/conf/vhosts.conf [01:47] no, i messed it up [01:47] [01:47] RewriteEngine On [01:48] RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://127.0.0.1:8080/VirtualHostBase/http/%{HTTP_HOST}:80/bugs/$1 [L,P] [01:48] [01:49] xactly like that [01:49] and if that works, [01:49] dupe for :443, but snag all the SSL config stuff from the existing section [01:49] (_default_:443) [01:49] k [01:50] you might need the icons line too [01:51] icons line? [01:52] What if we just set up a simple redirect for the 443 stuff? [01:53] so that it bumped everything to from bugs.octotrike.org:443 to bugs.octotrike.org/bugs? [01:55] wow, you're amazing [01:55] the rewrite stuff worked wonderfully [02:03] i'd like us to use ssl for logging into the bug system [02:03] so it'd be cool to make the 443 site work for bugs.octotrike.org too [02:03] I'm trying to get it working [02:03] xmlns should go on XMLDocument, i think [02:03] negated should be true or false (attack not vs. attack negated) [02:03] actors elements should be actor, not asset [02:03] use actions, not intendedActions, to get intended="false" actions as well [02:03] attacks elements should be attack, not rule [02:03] call attributeAt: in same order every time [02:03] er, that last bit is for Dym, when e returns [02:04] that's the xml bug lisT [02:04] I don't know how to get ssl turned on with this version of apache tho [02:04] there's stuff in vhosts.conf [02:04] does that not work? [02:05] dym, wait for my upload, though-- i did some attack refactoring [02:05] ping when you get back [02:06] oh, I just needed to know to do 'apachectl startssl' [02:06] we don't have a cert pregened for this server either, do we? [02:13] no [02:13] oh, yes we do, I think [02:13] this is such a weird server [02:13] we've been using zettai's cheesy cert [02:14] i didn't know to do that startssl thing.. :) [02:16] 2 tiny, tiny bugs [02:16] (plus xml) [02:19] oh, I can gen a cert [02:20] 1 bug left [02:21] yay [02:25] i hate being tired [02:25] i know this is simple & i can't figure it out [02:30] bugs fixed [02:30] i wil do the xml ones real quick too, then upload [02:30] (and start a build) [02:38] yeah, same here [02:45] running tests [02:46] holy f-ing sh-t, i think we might actually get this thing out the door [02:46] it's probably still 1/31 somewhere [02:55] Action: Dymaxion hops back on [02:56] sorry to disappear for so long [02:59] 'scoo [03:01] do you still need me to work on any of those xml bugs? [03:04] nope [03:04] i got 'em [03:04] but i am uploading now & i would love you to build & ui test [03:06] ok [03:06] ok, go. you need octopus-patches instead of bel-misc [03:07] as soon as you have it built, could you upload to zettai? [03:07] and then ara, could you download & run through dym's ui tests on your mac? [03:08] building [03:08] keep a fresh copy, pre test-run; that's what we'll ship [03:08] need to make sure we ship OSProcess bits too because i don't have time to figure out how to get them out again [03:09] next time we will do this a little better [03:11] Action: asparagi starts working on screen shots [03:21] wait, which option do I want for a non dev version? [03:26] um [03:26] build the dev version, we'll ship that [03:26] ok [03:26] i didn't get the other config stuff straightened out [03:26] sorry [03:27] no problem -- I just wanted to double check that [03:29] before we ship it we should put Trike in full-screen & turn off programmer facilities [03:29] gotcha [03:29] I'll do that and then run my tests that way [03:30] awesome [03:31] i can't find the list from earlier [03:31] S has a web page ready to go [03:31] we have screen shots, and code [03:31] bug list? [03:32] ssl on zettai seems a mite unhappy just now [03:32] we're just going to point to http://bugs.octotrike.org/ [03:33] i'll fix it up right now despite lack of ssl, i guess [03:33] ok [03:39] i'm taking the remaining bugs out of hold [03:41]