[20:33] okay, investigation reveals that no, we cannot easily make the OS buttons do the right thing [20:33] (it would require changing the VM [20:33] ) [20:51] blah [20:56] do we even like tabs? [20:56] i think tabs kind of suck [20:56] maybe we need something else [21:49] 4did you see it?! :D [21:50] and by 'it' I mean the house you were planning on looking at [21:51] i did... :) [21:52] it looks pretty good. it's bigger than the pictures. i bumped into the current owners. [21:52] apparently the shop is the way it is because he is a cabinet maker. [21:54] the shop is gorgeous inside, but it's OSB and has no siding, so i am worried about its long-term water resistance. the house also has some siding issues -- this one kind of siding is really sensitive to water damage if it isn't kept painted adequately, so at least one wall's worth of siding will need to be replaced. [21:54] gorgeous for a nice, shoppy value of gorgeous [21:55] it's wired for a home theater system, and still has some of the built-in speakers, but all the wiring is kind of weird because they didn't put any plates on it -- it's just wires coming through a little hole in the plaster. there are a bunch of little things like that [21:56] on the plus side, there are lots of well-laid-out, well-built cabinets in the whole house, so i would need to buy less furniture, and i will never be frustrated by the cheap drawer slides [21:57] i would have stained them vs. painted, but i agree painted goes better with the house [21:58] :) [21:58] going to make an offer? [21:58] the rv parking looks awesome -- basically there's a big gravel drive (45'?) going next to the house to get back to the shop. he said it's graded & like 12" of gravel because they were driving trucks back there for the shop [21:59] i haven't decided yet [21:59] oh, nice [21:59] i am having this oh-my-god-do-i-REALLY-want-to-own-a-house-again feeling [22:00] and there's a place to see on monday which hasn't been listed yet. it has no shop, but apparently the yard is enormous and the interior is gorgeous [22:00] i imagine when i see it i will think to myself: well-worn is better than gorgeous, for me [22:01] then i will probably make an offer on this place [22:04] heeh :) [22:04] you seem like you really desire a large yard? [22:05] i'm not sure.. if the place doesn't have a shop yet, then ys [22:05] i could imagine growing some vegetables, or getting a dog, if i still feel excited about either of those things in a couple of years [22:06] and i'm planning to park in the back yard, if possible, so i can feel like i'm in a pleasant surrounding when i'm in the van [22:07] this trailer park spot has a yard a little smaller than the van, so i'm feeling kind of cramped right now. [22:07] i suppose i shouldn't go too large or the maintenance will annoy me [22:09] but if i had a big yard i could use my shop to build giant killer robots, or this 60' diameter icosahedron-based thing i'd like to put together for burning man sometime. i wonder if the neighbors will want me to get building permits for my tent.... :) [22:10] so, what do you think about tabs? [22:13] i guess your log uploading script must be working -- w00t! [22:53] Action: Dymaxion grins re: houses. [22:53] You don't need building permits for temporary structures. [23:00] yes, i'm aware.. i just have this feeling that a 30' high temporary structure which takes months to debug might cause some uproar and an attempt to better define the word temporary. [23:12] maybe... hard to say though, really. [23:12] probably depends on the neighborhood. [23:14] I think tabs certainly aren't a bad start for the UI right now, and while I think we might want to play with it later, I don't think we should mess with it right now. [23:29] i have developed an extreme loathing for tabs [23:30] if only Squeak had a working set of widgets [23:30] i have found 4 incomplete projects to that effect [23:31] the current Morphic stuff (broken), something called Prefab (incomplete, out of date documentation), Tweak (incomplete, insufficiently documented) and ToolBuilder (insufficiently documented, at least) [23:36] well, i'm off to do something else for a while -- night all! [00:00] --- Sat Dec 24 2005